Which has the best stats for the Hall of Fame?

Hall Of Fame Statistics
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Black Ink    Batting - 68 (13), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink    Batting - 212 (35), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor    Batting - 363 (6), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards    Batting - 76 (5), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS     Shortstop (2nd), 116.0 career WAR/64.2 7yr-peak WAR/90.1 JAWS
Average HOF SS (out of 21) = 66.7 career WAR/42.8 7yr-peak WAR/54.7 JAWS

 












Hall Of Fame Statistics
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Black Ink    Batting - 10 (241), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink    Batting - 145 (99), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor    Batting - 337 (11), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards    Batting - 67 (19), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS     Shortstop (12th), 71.7 career WAR/42.2 7yr-peak WAR/57.0 JAWS
Average HOF SS (out of 21) = 66.7 career WAR/42.8 7yr-peak WAR/54.7 JAWS

Which of these Stats belongs to whom?
Then go through all the stats of each player and maybe one of you can tell me why one is a sure fire first ballot Hall inductee and the other isn't.
Other than personalities, hype and most fans believing what is said bad about one of them and everything good about the other.
In case you haven't caught on yet, the media prints what a manager wants them to print...not so much now days, but in the 90s it was so. The hype began in 1996 and got so big and snowballed so much even the players began to believe it was true.
It is easy to fool the fans, most of them come to watch the game and know little about the game itself. I mean the way plays are made by one player and the same play gets a; "Wow, what a play, he dove and came up with it. When actually, if he had better range and quickness he would have made the play look like an ordinary play.

Will the players on the Farm get a Shot

I hope these signings are only for the year, because it makes no sence what so ever! We have a plethora of lefty BP pitchers just knocking DOWN the door for a chance to play next year. For once I would love to see the Yankees use the head on their shoulders for more than a hat rack.
I can understand them doing this (as you pointed out before) for the contract control situation. So I am hoping the guys on the farm...40 man or not, get a fair shot at making the team next year.
As most know, I am a proponent of the home grown talent first, with that in mind I think the GM of this team should make a case for NOT signing any player to more than a 5 year contract if over 30 years old.
A caveat, if I may, depending on the position said player plays and what we have down on the farm.
Example: Melky and Jackson were traded at a young age for reasons other than talent but, this trade for a two year rental has been going on for years. It MUST stop. Why would a big time talent with a chance to go to college want to sign with the Yankees knowing he may never play no matter how he did on the farm until he is in his mid to late 20's.
We have players on the Farm right now that may be able to help the team this year, and maybe not. I have no problem with (at this late date) holding them over for next years spring training...but I don't want them to be left behind because of the contract given to an over the hill player. Some players take a while to adjust to the speed of the majors, and get sent back down, only to come back latter because they finally figured it out. Hell, Mickey was sent back down, he came back and look what he did.

Not meant to be derogatory at all, I just don't understand!


Maybe I am just to old and have seen to many very good, to great players, from Joe D, Whitey Ford, Yogi and the best of them all...Mickey to now. And I just don't get it! Other then being a nice guy, playing SS for the Yankees for 20 years, hitting 1st or 2nd, having 2,660 more plate appearances than any Yankee, other than homers he should have most of the Yankee hitting records.
Ok, he has over 3400 hits but he is a singles hitter and pitchers have no fear of him in game winning situations, he has never been a dominant player, in the field he isn't even rated among the top 350 SS. He is a hitter playing SS below avg., he has a few Gold gloves but we all know they are given to players by popularity many times. In 20 years he has been named the best player on the Yankees 3 times, we have a player that has played for the Yankees eight years with 4 best player honors.
I see Jeter has many good points but, the idea of him being one of the all time Great Yankee players is silly!
I do see Jeter as one of if not the best Yankee SS we have ever had. HoF awaits him, for sure. Everyone of the Greatest Yankees were Dominant players of their time for more than 10 years or more, something Jeter has never been.
Respect him and how he has played and what he has done...I do. HoF player, yes! 100% votes BS, not even close.
So, to almost all the fans, Yes broadcasters, and New York Media, Jeter IS the Greatest Yankee ever.
If they change it to one of The Greatest Yankees of the 21st Century, I'll buy into it...if not, then it is a shame they missed seeing some of the real Dominant Yankee players of all time and again...I just don't get it, and never will!
Get it straight, I am pointing out the Hype he has had over these many years starting with Joe T and then the media and broadcasters of YES on to the New York media. Even at the game last night one of the announcers pointed out how his hitting is not that good in clutch situations (which he quickly added; "I may get kicked out of here for that!" or something like that). But they continue to hit him #2, nobody wants to confront Jeter except Cashman and sooner or later he will change the hitting order.
The fans under 50+/- think I am trying to down play Jeter and his worth to the Yankees? I am not, I am just looking at him with very clear eyes, and they may be old but, they are never clouded by what others demand I believe, just because they say it is true doesn't make it so.
DOMINATE is the key word some seem to forget, that separates the truly great players form the very, very good players.
Jeter is not one of the Greatest Yankees, he is one of the Greatest 21 Century Yankees...as of now, along with A-Rod, Andy and Mo.

Hype a Ball Player so much so often.....!

When Player is hyped so much by his Manager Joe T, and then the New York Sports Media, is it any wonder those of you that grew up with Jeter at SS, think of him as one of the greatest Yankees ever!
Not even close fans, I go by what I see and what the stats tell me about a player, I could care less if he was as hard to play with as Ty Cobb. Or, going the other way, Jeter is loved by many NY fans... but his Hype doesn't match up with his stats or his play on the field.
Other than 2012 Jeter hasn't hit over .300 since 2009 at all. And has gone from an average fielding SS to a not very good SS. Anyone ever think, many plays made by an infielder that are Fantastic, are only that way because the person didn't have the range to be there for the ball in the first place.When there was talk of moving him out of the #2 slot or sitting him more, well let's say he wasn't too happy about it.The guy was a great hitting shortstop for 17 years, but 2009 was his last good year. He will make it into the HoF, because of what? 3,000 hits? The reason I ask is there are about 28 (soon to be 30+) guys in that club. Other than that, what MLB record other than Strike outs is he in the top 20 (all time)?

Well, here are just a few; Strike outs #17, Hits #9, AB 10850 #13, Runs scored #11 1899, Hitting into DP 278 #15 and dig this one OBP .379 #168.
The guy has never been rated as one of the top 2 SS in the AL. (Gold Gloves are popularity awards not skill level) He has had almost time and a half the At Bats of any other Yankee in the history of the game. He should have all those hitting records by now.
If one takes away all the Hype surrounding Jeter and his play. One finds a Better than Average All-Around SS playing on the largest stage in the world.
I have been watching the Yankees since 1944 and have never seen as much Hype of a player as I have with Jeter. Mo didn't get that type of hype, do you understand Why this was so? Simple; he didn't need it!
For the last 10 years I have listened to Jeter this and Jeter that! The Yankees won WS games from 1996 to 2000 (except for 1997) because of the team. Other than 2009, nothing since. Jeter was still here, he has been one of the best SS the Yankees have ever had. And should be going to the HoF, as he will...but, don't go thinking he was in the same class, as a ball player, as some of the really "Greatest Yankees"! Hype is not what makes a ballplayer Great...Talent, Heart and Domination have a lot to do with it. Jeter has the first two, which puts him among the best, but not...The Greatest!

The real Joe T...

We had a hell of a set-up guy once by the name of Proctor (Sp), Joe T used him so much Cashman told him to set him down for a few days rest. Joe set him for a day and got him up time and again. Cashman got upset and traded him to get him away from Joe and protect his arm.
It was a year before Proctor was near himself again.
Why do you think they put in the Joba rules, because Joe thought he was the boss and didn't take orders from a desk jockey. He thought he was the reason the team won.

Let us not forget the time in Cleveland when the nats got after Joba, Joe was asleep in the dugout, came out onto the field and didn't even know if he would have to take Joba out if he went to check on him... 2nd time in an inning is automatically out of the game...! I guess the old joke of Joe T sleeping away the game was true!
Joe had a very good relationship with the Media, it was  good for him and bad for anyone not in "The Click" news would show up in the press/blogs labeled something like "anonymous source, tells me ....whatever he wanted to have them make public! Or "that single in the 5th really set the tone for us, another clutch job!" When it should have been more like Posada hit a line drive into the gap scoring Johnny for the game winner"!

What does a boss do if you go to them demanding a raise and he thinks you are not that valuable to them?
The same thing the Yankees did with Joe T., make an offer he HAD TO REFUSE!  Joe T was a big time loosing manager before the Yankees gave him a team he only had to fill out the line-up once and make copies of day after day and win without doing anything except make himself look good. When the team started to get old what happened...they no-longer won. He was asked to play some of the younger kids and would just forget it because he was the manager

From gathered information and sources....my opinion was so shaped.

The Kids are our next Generation of players...

Why do some fans want to buy pitchers when we have enough now? Everyone (most) complains about the farm system, but keeping kids on the farm is not the way to go. We lost a good pitcher in the rule 5 draft, plus a few others. One can only protect 40 players then what do you do?

It has to be a "Use'um or lose'um thing. Depending on injury reports we have about 5 pitchers to fight it out for the number 5 spot and the same or more for the bullpen all of them are good... are they a good enough force to be reckoned with...no one knows until they pitch against live major league hitters. A few of them have a few innings under their belt already and did well.

Who was it that said, we had to have the best players at every position, the core 4+1 came from the farm...so can others. Jeter, Mo, Posada and Andy all came to spring training not knowing if they would make the cut...except Jeter, he was the replacement for our injured SS.

Once a player gets to AAA and does well...after 4-5 years on the farm...they can develop a real bad attitude quickly.

The history of minor league players is hard to figure out. One reason is because some are better than what they have shown on the Farm or not as good. There have been many players come up to the Show and take-off like a pro and then fizzle out, conversely, much more adjusted to the game and became Jeters and or Andys.

One prime example was Don Mattingly, he was a double and Avg. hitter, so they said, but he adjusted. The great Mickey Mantel was sent back down because he didn't adjust to the big show and the speed etc. Brett is another one, all the experts said he would be a good 4th or fifth outfielder at best.

What is Balance?

Thanks to; The Greedy Pinstripes

I love that picture, it really shows why ballplayers always say..."The legs are the first to go" and why one can see pitchers running all the time.

Look at the pressure put on his plant leg, the same is true of his push-off leg......! Pitchers and other players have a weak spot...their legs (hip) any problem of any sort can make the best, become the ordinary or worse!

That is why one can see the better and best players working out every day and spend more time with conditioning trainers in the off season.

Milkey and Cano couldn't keep up with A-Rod when he had them join him in his work-outs. That is the type of work one HAS to put in to stay at the top.

Many think a pitcher quits because he has lost something off his pitches...true, up to a point...many things will make one lose something off his pitches. What ever one has lost, the break on the pitch (Mo) the speed (CC), one can trace it back to what I call "The Balance"!

The Balance is very simple to understand;

With a pitcher: His arm is in front of his body or, his body is out of sync with his arm, anyway one wishes to put it...his balance (sync) is off!

See how his release, body, weight, is in harmony with his back leg off the ground...this is the typical "Drop and Drive" of a power pitcher.

Ed Note: This is something as a closer, with a fast ball around the 82 mph, never ever tried to do. I didn't ever throw an FB, just "Junk"! lol

Let's look at hitters: Balance is the key word here as much as with a pitcher.

Let's take three different hitters shall we?

Jeter...the Hit King of the Yankees...Hits off his front foot a lot of the time because he is an inside out hitter (most of the time) and has trouble with rightys when they cross him up with a low on the black pitch after throwing inside at the hands. His weight (Balance) is gone as he reaches for the ball.

Now try Tex: A typical pull hitter; he sits on his back leg with an upper cut in his swing, put a breaking pitch on the inside and low, not good results from him. he will top it to the side he is hitting from or...swing and miss it completely.

Now we come to A-Rod: the best all-around hitter on the team...

He is a typical power hitter that tries to hit the ball "on center" if he gets the timing right, it will go out (HR). If he is off a bit, he can hit the gaps with power or, (if his balance is off a bit) it is nothing at all!

He spreads his weight out and is balanced at the plate, he will swing with his weight on-center...need not sit on his back leg at all! He has upper body and lower body working in harmony with his turn and front foot planted (on time).

If any one of those things gets off center at all, he is wasting time at the plate!

One can understand why he has had trouble the last few years, with a bad hip his timeing is off. With out being able to sync his turn with weight shift he is swinging with his upper body alone...shall we say, Not a Good thing?